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30 December 2012 @ 08:22 pm
need subject, all are too strange  
I mainlined seasons 1&2 of The Listener.  I am double-intrigued by the idea of crossing it over with BE because the worlds fit, but more like a jigsaw - very very different characters and outlook and tone.  I haven't had a lot of muse-time with it, but I'd like to play with the fandom, we've got some good, open mythology, rounded characters and relationships, and Gordon Pinsent plus appearances from half the cast of BE and warm fuzzies appropriate from any supernatural-based episodic COTW.  Though TBH, the focus on working with the police bothers me.  Less so in season 1, but season 2 ended up dividing the cast up too much, and for some gawdawful reason I've started doing tickies on my fingers for white v non-white and relative character importance.

I don't know if I undermine or embarrass myself given that I'm Irish-Ukranian and thus veryvery white.  Except mathematically I'm Ukranian-Irish.  Is this actual bias or is it just that the former is easier to say?

I have also mainlined seasons 1-3 of Corner Gas, and it would be more except I reallyreally do have to finish/write a few essays and using the rest as reward rather than punting material is a desperate bid to incorporate rather than merely internalize BE.  At any rate, CG is Funny. As. Funny. Stuff.  I've randomly failed to watch Canadian comedy for no good reason, next up: Red Green and Trailer Park Boys.  Granted, I now want to move to Saskatchewan, a little bit, even though I'm not sure I can spell it, or at least travel west of the Mississippi, which hasn't happened since I was (15?) and is thus overdue.  I am also vastly amused by the number of people who make guest appearances, though I only recognize half (probably less than half, I just know that I don't recognize half of what I know I should).

I spent an hour... or more... ranting about Smash while sitting on a wall in the laundry room. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I STUPIDLY BRING IT UP AND THEN SOMEONE STUPIDLY ASKS.  ... FVCK! ...  So...  Honestly, I was thinking about it, did an AO3/careful ff.net search (idbeinthefollies I<3U) and now plan to type up my last finished chapter/write the next instead of essays because oops, but I'm not sure I'm drunk enough (did I mention raspberry vodka?  It was there in the laundry room too) - to google around for Smash spoilers which have surely proliferated.  Right.  So, what I'm asking is:

Is there anything worth knowing about Smash that I can know without simply depressing me?  Or rather: is there any news at all that indicates Ivy will be painted in a positive or fair or at least multi-coloured light?  I don't even hope for a fittingly complex Ivy/Derek scene.  See how I have lowered expectations, yet failed to lower them far enough for the prospectus of yet-another OMG I IZ STAR IN RL N' KARNE SUE/MCPEE U IZ BETTR THN SLCIED BRED!!!+1

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In other news I've done my usual and gotten myself into trouble, again, hence MIA in fandom despite not actually being horrifically busy, (though being back in school after a long while is a reasonable excuse.)  But I mean trouble-trouble.  As in: as much trouble as I can get without it going legal, which sort of included the threat of quasi-legal action, though for most of it I was simply upset, horrified, confused, and trying to resolve it in an adult manner, though apparently I missed because I was not dealing with an adult-  I may FO post this later since now I just sound really bad, but it's more complex than that and I could have gone legal months ago *coughs* so it's limited-domain crazy...

So basically, I find myself in a quandry.  I want a do-over.  DR. TOM PLZ SAVE ME.  I need to try this term again.  Except ironically, this term has unfolded as a near-perfect do-over from a semester in high school that was very traumatizing.  And so now I am merely very confused.  It's perfect.  Some things were better - I stood up for myself.  Some things were worse - .. I stood up for myself.  IDEK.

... And I don't.  I'm waiting for the mediator to get back to me.  That is how messed up my life gets.
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Sparkymoon_blitz on December 31st, 2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
Fun fact: The Listener and Flashpoint are in the same universe, at least according to the former. With regards to The Listener and BE existing in the same place, my personal head-canon says they do (because Raf from Flashpoint totally is Dr. Fred in BE). I would love to see a crossover between the two shows - I just realized I have an unfinished one myself, and both of these shows need more love.

Glad to see you back around, even with all the trouble your having. Happy New Year!
mmmelpomenemmmelpomene on January 8th, 2013 03:38 am (UTC)
heigh-ho, here I am again...
Hola! I must be a masochist, LOL, though of course delighted to see you again. Still not sure I'll watch, though...

Have you seen this?

http://tvline.com/2012/12/17/smash-season-2-premiere-preview-spoilers/

I am pretty sure that "almost-Marilyn" has to refer to Ivy, since Karen is surely current-Marilyn regardless of whether or not "Bombshell" is on hold. And if mystique/confusion were actually desired, surely it would have been more advisable for the author to refer to "former Marilyn", which could honestly apply to both Karen and Ivy if Bombshell is on hiatus.

Which, if that's really the way it happens and Ivy saves "Bombshell", kindasorta makes Karen look like an ingrate, no? With my luck, somehow "almost Marilyn" is Karen and it's her song with Hudson that turns the tides, but I think my interpretation makes more sense.
atatteredroseatatteredrose on January 8th, 2013 04:56 am (UTC)
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Hiya! How's it been going all these delightfully Smash-free months? *eg*

I hate this show. It's so much fun to spec and bitch, but damnit Hilty for actually forcing me into emotional investment! Nerp.

Oh yes, it's definitely Ivy who gets unexpected power... Come to think of it, hopefully this comes after Derek fires her, and involves her directly dealing with Eileen, or at least Tom/Julia. Having a rep and relationships and respect has to count for something. Though I'm almost sure "saving the show" involves bringing her mother in (to play Marilyn's mother), which doesn't happen until later in the season when Ivy has the role back.

Karen can't look like an ingrate though, it will just be Ivy partially making up for her crap so our poor ingenue doesn't have to lose out on gracing the world with her Marilyn. The fact that she's going to bail ship is LOL-able though. If it didn't make me Stab With Pen.

Structurally, it does have to be Ivy. For a bit I was trying to make Rebecca fit, which is plausible - she causes scandal for Derek, but if she could get him ousted, she might then turn around and help out the production, especially if her darling Karen is in the lead. Not as much, or as obvious, defrosting potential though.

On the other hand, Veronica at this point is not out of the question as agent of saving. To be pushed as much as she is for a 3 episode arc (she's on the damn POSTERS WTF?) she can't just pump up Karen and sing some pretty songs. We know she'll shed some insight on Ivy by way of their friendship but it would totally make sense that she is a plot point, like Lyle last season, helping Bombshell on its merry way. It also makes sense that this would happen at least in part through her relationship with Ivy, because who knows what favours and secrets are in their past? And we know, by snippet with Sam and then Julia, that Ivy just wants to stay with the production, so she -would- act to save the show without expecting the lead (something Karen would never, ever do.) And if this was coming after Derek fired her at Karen's behest, it would explain the "It's not about you," "No, it's about YOU, like always" Karen!bitch, which probably takes place right after Ivy talks to Julia in, happily, one of the few Bechdel-passing scenes.

The problem with spec is that I then need to watch to see if I'm right. D:
mmmelpomenemmmelpomene on January 8th, 2013 01:10 pm (UTC)
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Extra spoiler collation: A friend dug this 2.1 episode dialogue up for me (transcript of Anjelica scene on a talk show):

Eileen: Here I was throwing a party thinking I could talk about the show and not its director's personal life.
Derek: Michael Riedel said he's coming tonight. I want you to turn him away at the door.
Eileen: I don't think so.
Derek: He's the reason she retaliated the way she did. He just ran a quote out of context.
Eileen: I don't blame Michael Riedel for your mess and neither should you.

My belief is that Riedel (I told you I saw him last season in 1.15 promo pics, and then he wasn’t there, but… he’s there in a deleted scene backstage with Eileen, which is on the DVDs) was live blogging (we “know” he blogs from the pilot) from Boston. Ivy saw it (doesn’t she even move her cell phone out of the way on the dresser?), the quote is hurtful to her, here’s where resorting to the bottom of a pill bottle comes in. Not quite sure how Ivy has time to see it when she's supposed to be having her own curtain call, but maybe Leigh is watching like a hawk and tips her off?

Since we know there's multiple episodes of Bernadette, I wonder if Ivy's "saving" involves her promising Leigh as Hedda Hopper or something? It's a bit prosaic, but logical, and at least this way Ivy gets to be in control of the release of information (Eileen and the press/public being the only people who don't know Leigh is Ivy's mother).

(Don't spec, don't spec... hahaha. Like that's going to help me not obsess.)
atatteredroseatatteredrose on January 8th, 2013 01:33 pm (UTC)
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I would be completely satisfied speccing forever, it's having to find out what the hell TPTB decided that is the problem *g*

Hmm. My first response is that the exchange is about Rebecca, since we know she's going to spread rumours/kick up a fuss of controversy over Derek. It would be hilarious as anything if it was something Derek said at the afterparty when Karen was part of the group - putting down Rebecca to pump Karen up is so very him. I really really want Eileen to talk to him a bit more about Ivy though, especially since she has this strange and ill-defined relationship with Ivy.

Finding Ivy with pills and the post up on her phone is a cool image though. The question is how they'e getting past the pills - and her drug habit, since they're knocking that away straight off, and/or choosing to ignore it. If they turn it into a thing, it won't go away. Except I'd love a little proof that Leigh stuck around for the show even though Ivy wasn't Marilyn, and was starting to protect her professionally (even more interesting than protecting her personally) this early, since SOMETHING has to slip her into Bombshell later.

I have stranger theories, but I'm more and more liking Leigh coming into it earlier. We won't see her for a while, but they could reference her, at the party after the show - after all, Ivy's already been outed to the cast and crew. It could easily spring out of that: Ivy can guarantee Leigh if they guarantee Ivy a place in the show - and at this point she's likely already been fired. It becomes awesome because Karen is still Marilyn.

In other news, I suck. I started writing a prank on Karen/Derek fans based on promos (Karen is wonderful perfect and goddess-like and OMG Derek seems to love her! And when Ivy shows up Karen still has the power! He must luv her! Until she eavesdrops on a convo of Derek proving he personally loves Ivy, Karen being a professional infatuation) but then a couple people reviewed along the lines of "I loved a Derek/Ivy piece you wrote, except it was Divy. I was so happy you decided to write Karek."

...And now I feel bad.
mmmelpomenemmmelpomene on January 9th, 2013 05:27 am (UTC)
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Heck, I feel kind of bad now also for the Karek readers (have to check out the story soon), however, it’s never wrong for a fannish writer to gain at least the reputation of objectivity. XP That way all your stuff gets read! I admire your fortitude, I don’t think I could have held my nose long enough. I hope to get some fodder out of Season 2 that doesn’t retread the same old specious ground we’ve had to live with for months – there’s only so much speculation about Derek’s state of mind that one can passport.

Rebecca is a decent answer to the mystery exchange also; not only would I love to hear Eileen talk about Ivy, I’m perhaps unduly excited by the hints that Julia and Ivy draw closer.

I would love it if the drugs go bye-bye, especially since the concept of Smash as a show that survives to, say, five seasons, now looks increasingly unlikely (we got from here to there because I am passporting a situation where it could be respectably dropped and then picked up as a “pressure point” around, say, Season 5 when something goes egregiously wrong for Ivy; there’s so much prop alcohol running around the show, I simply continue not to want to see Ivy in any/every social situation as The TV Addict, potential substance-ingesting time bomb. No one else is!).

My only fear for Leigh is that it might look too much like Ivy could, indeed, not make it on her own. I would like best of all if the public reveal of “Ivy Conroy” came about at a time when Ivy was already triumphant, but sensibly and plot-speaking, it has to be used as some sort of trump card somewhere, or it loses all its punch. Though I guess it could be an “and you didn’t want me!” as Ivy trundles out the door and over to the Sean Hayes musical, it has to be used as some sort of leverage because it’s weird to imagine any scenario where Leigh is around (which we know she is), and it’s not brought into the open. I think an interview with her revealed that she’s in like 5 episodes? I think she said it, too, and not someone else interpreting.

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atatteredroseatatteredrose on January 9th, 2013 05:47 am (UTC)
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On the bright side I can fix it, and at least still prank them on the Karek (I labeled it Karen, Derek, Romance XP) front while cushioning the blow for Karen, since I only wrote chapter 1 (we figured it'd be more impactful to more people to string it out.) On the dark side it's really short, comparatively superficial stylistically, and I entitled the damn thing "Everything She Deserves." Anvil city!

I do fully believe that we'll get a lot for Divy fanfic. Because all we really need are moments and actions, decisions and situations, and we've already seen several in promos and spoilers. And they're already more varied than last season's single trajectory, cloistered arc of home life \o/ The only problem is if they kill the urge to write by burying Divy under too much Karek/Karen.

One of my favourite scenes is still Julia and Eileen talking about financing and the Degas. I know Marilyn had some trouble with woman, but strong women interacting is awesome.

Meh, I'd rather drugs never return at all for Ivy, though I guess maybe if they come in through another medical route watching her try to NOT replicate her past would be cool. The spoiler about someone else taking to drugs is interesting though. I don't even have a clue how that one could reasonably play out (unless they were faking us out and it's about Derek getting drunk, but that's just stupid.)

I believe TPTB's point would in fact be that Ivy can't make it on her own, and that if she'd bothered to capitalize on her mother from the start (as Karen capitalizes on Derek's illogical support), she would have made it and never been in this situation. IIRC the interview has Peters saying 4 or 5 episodes, though of course one of those might be a brief intro scene at the end - still, it's longer than the typical 3 episodes. But it plays into her being in Bombshell. On the other hand, Leigh was outed at The Workshop, and while we can suppose that they managed to gloss over the fact that she was Ivy's mum, there's no way that it wasn't/isn't leaked, given all the ensemble members, and that Sam was filming her performance.

Thought: it would also be interesting if Ivy was outed by Karen, when Karen snarks to someone important that she beat out Ivy even though Ivy has a famous mum.
mmmelpomenemmmelpomene on January 10th, 2013 04:41 am (UTC)
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That sounds delightful; I'm actually toying with trying to write one of those "generic" POV stories where you can't tell whether it is Derek-and-Ivy or Derek-and-Karen conversing, but it requires a lot of tweaking (and may provide too much hints). I have a lot of chunks of stuff but nothing really suitable to post because I have been "falling out" periodically and putting ellipses, etc. in the middle of exchanges. There's nothing really good and linear, except I think I'm about 2 parts in on the "Derek and father" story I claimed I was going to claim. I was hoping that he was a person we might yet see this season but I don't quite think there's room or time. I just feel like all my ideas would have to go AU.

I think I missed the spoiler about someone else on drugs; my best guess would be Jimmy, but that's just based off of typical convenient tropes. My expectation/fear is that what they're trying to do is postulate Jimmy as "young, wild Derek Wills" and Derek himself as, well, you know. Elder statesman, growing out of that (with the sole help of Ivy, of course - he was scarcely allowed to have any other character development last year, no one else could be said to have brought it about, which I guess is at least positive), and who better to "rescue" Poor Karen from "young Derek with his oats still to sow" than "current, older, wiser Derek"? It depresses me to think about it. Karek may no longer be the slam-dunk it once was, but that depends on what happens with the new Karen-contemporaries. If they take off in a major way, what if the focus does get younged down? Will Krysta Rodriguez' character take on the Eve Harrington role to Karen, whereas I had previously longed for it to be Karen?

Based upon former-quo I was fully expecting Jeremy Jordan's arc to last for a single season at which point he'd be politely shown the door, and at any rate, they have no use for "two Dereks", so I cannot fathom them not maturing Derek. I just think it would, again, be a crying shame if Karen gets to reap all the benefits of Ivy's work with Derek. But now, who knows? Maybe Jimmy does become more viable/valuable than functioning for a single season as the "not-Derek" in Karen's life? (You do realize that now we've committed to these trains of thought, in the cracks we don't know about, Ivy will probably embark early on a love affair with Daniel Sunjata, and she and Derek will simmer checking in platonically with each other for the entire season.)

I like your spec about Karen doing the outing, perhaps in a Riedel interview. Though for some reason I primarily like it if we continue to fanwank that Eileen does not know. I continue to think that there is wiggle room for that, she was not present at rehearsal and just because "everyone else knows", doesn't mean that anyone told her. And the fact that it's Eileen of all people who does not know, would allow them to capitalize. A less powerful Bombshellian, no audience member would care or wait for them to find out.
atatteredroseatatteredrose on January 10th, 2013 05:14 am (UTC)
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YAY FIC :D And don't you have a nifty sweet little scene from way back in the day that never got posted in archives? (A couple of us have literally been counting new stories and updates on ff.net and comparing the stats, it's sad.)

Non-linearity is awesome and there's nothing wrong with AU, so long as characters are consistent and there's reasonable logic. So no worries and go for whatever the muse provides! Plus, we have a grace period until the show starts, it's all spec, but after that the inrush of canon tends to make it hard to take chances.

If Derek takes Jimmy under his wing I'm out. Even though I won't be because it looks probable, or at least related to the Karen/Jimmy package slash Karen's development. I shall, however, go 400 Blows! because I took a film class and they explained that title and it totes fits.

On the bright side, it looks like their new cast may be young, but is mostly also good, and professional. It's a weird dichotomy though, if NBC is going for a more thoughtful, educated viewership, but pandering to teeny boppers. I have to admit here that I don't actually know what a teeny bopper is, but it sounds right. Pop-obsessed youths who need hots girls and guys relatively close to their own age? (In theory, they're slicing years off the real ages of the actors.)

If Krysta plays Eve to Karen... FICFICFIC. That would be brilliant. Not that Karen is established, but she thinks she is, Krysta is hot and has personality... Though Karen would have to end up smacking her down, unless she gracefully bows out by hopping to the "third" musical they'd write just for her in season 3. I wonder if there's a clue in one of the clips from the promo: Ivy comes in and tells Karen "it's actually not about you," and Karen responds "no, it's all about YOU, as usual." *coughs* It's a weird twist to have Ivy as Eve, but it really works, given all the praise Karen gets, and by the clip we saw with Ivy talking to Julia about a second chance, she IS insinuating herself with the Bombshell folk...

I think I read somewhere that they're bringing Derek back to more professionally focused, which is hopeful. It means they may play Derek/Karen more like Derek/Rebecca should have gone, with his tendency to bed his leading ladies the reason for the sparks, on his part. Leaving his relationship with Ivy the wild card, because they really did have something and thus she'll remain on par with Eileen, who he also respects professionally, but has a supportive friendship with.

Ivy won't hook up with Sunjata, that'd blow up into too much drama once Julia starts a relationship with him *g*

Just so long as Eileen never loses sympathy for Ivy. She's the most powerful thing Ivy has going for her (minus Leigh), and I so very much want Eileen's "now the work begins!" not to be tapping Karen as her new "hope."

Of course, that line is also unintentionally hilarious, since once work begins, Karen bails. Broadway may not be for her.
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mmmelpomenemmmelpomene on January 10th, 2013 02:53 am (UTC)
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It is funny/stabby to contemplate that the storyline is, basically, Karen going from the "Bombshell/Marilyn Is All I Have Ever Wanted In Life, Ivy" (making it up out of whole cloth in the Times Square scene, only never to speak of her commitment again, naturally). I wouldn't be averse to seeing the producers wrangle Uma back, provided we could also have the pleasure of watching her interact with Ivy. That was just another poor move in a history of poor moves on the part of the writers during the end arc - Ivy's such a nonentity Rebecca will pretend to not know who she is aloud, while simultaneously, covertly, giving her one of the "greatest" compliments one woman can give another - by stealing her life!

I find the placement of Veronica in promo materials to be odd. It's like a backdoor-pilot move, only it's actually a backdoor-character move, most likely. I don't know why else there would be hinty promo like "Jennifer Hudson says Smash is helping to ready her for Broadway" (paraphrase) unless there is a payoff of/for it.

I know what you mean about spec. I'm trying to figure out a way to watch the show without watching Karen at all, but then I realized that was hardly fair to everyone else's work that I do want to see, so at minimum the new people even if they're with Karen. Maybe Karen will have a lot of monologues alone in her bedroom? A girl can hope...

New video. (Megan wins dress; Kat wins hair. IMHO. Why doesn't Access Hollywood believe in giving their reporters omnidirectional mics? And she's [the reporter] kind of amateur hour in the bargain...)

http://watch.accesshollywood.com/video/megan-hilty-katharine-mcphee-discuss-smashs-return/2078137584001#
atatteredroseatatteredrose on January 10th, 2013 03:34 am (UTC)
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And apparently there was a deleted scene where our in-show PTB are surprised because they thought Karen would flop! But it's all good, Karen is going to ACTUALLY focus on her career this season, rather than her personal crap. And of course she approaches it as "where can it take me," ie, opportunistic, rather than love for the work. I swear I want her out just to keep her away from good things, but she's already got half the new Bombshell numbers, and will get however many Hit List they (create music videos for.)

I be cranky today. McPhee boards did point out that Hilty wound up with more songs on the Bombshell album. Only fitting as McPhee took the first album. But if they don't find a way to equalize, or at least approximate song numbers between the two, I'm going to find a way to send some very irritated messages to TPTB. Someone else asked something like "does anyone else get the impression (the music writers) like Hilty better?)" Duh.

I've not worried too much about JHug, actually, but it sounds like when she's in an episode, she'll have a lot of screentime. I don't know what the requirements are for different sorts of credits, but they may justify it that way. At any rate, I wonder how long it will take until she's on Broadway for real? Though it did strike me as odd that shooting a couple episodes of Smash is akin to the actual thing: if that's the case, McPhee is the new Sutton Foster.

I'm going to try and do what I used to do, snark over all McPhee's scenes (cathartic, but you still know what's going on and can praise anyone else who happens to be rocking it) and rewind for Hilty's, breaking them down into at least rudimentary analysis. Overall justification: can't argue against Karen unless you actually know what went down and how. (Karen will have a lot of songs though).

I want to know what bits of "different" romance Ivy's getting this year? It doesn't sound like it's happy and easy, like Dev, so it's... what... platonic and upfront about being a temporary thing?
mmmelpomenemmmelpomene on January 10th, 2013 04:08 am (UTC)
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Oh, ugh. I am so disappointed to hear they cut that scene; one of the things the story has sorely been lacking being, of course, any kind of doubt on anyone’s part that Karen would be brilliant in the part (I’m still gagging that “they’re” giving her nothing but rave reviews, and I’ve had at least a month to get used to the concept).

I don’t think there’s any shame or ire that should be involved in the record being largely Hilty and not McPhee; considering it looks like over half the songs are retreads anyway, she’s already done most of them. I was more worried (if impressed) to think that the composers had spent a lot more time than we thought they had over the summer writing a dozen new Bombshell songs, which it turns out is … not quite the case, I don’t think? Or maybe they did. And I think Shaiman & Wittman like McPhee well enough; she was in their workshop of “Catch Me If You Can”, I’m pretty sure (not sure what role she played nor who/if someone replaced her, or if role was written out). And of course McPhee’s fans wouldn’t want to hear it, but I don’t think a theatrical writer could help ranking McPhee lower than Hilty, even if the difference is small in their minds due to personal liking.

Ha, I think JHud meant that part because she’s working really hard at it and her stuff is actual Broadway-challenging (or at least vocal-challenging. I do seem to recall that at some point in her career McPhee could hold the line with Hudson, though without some of the latter’s unique aspects, naturally). “20th Century Fox Mambo” is actually the least favorite of mine off of “Bombshell”, “NGATH” had that pop re-do for McPhee; etc. I’d actually be kind of grateful if what happened was that the Bombshell songs we get, Kat has worked on over the break and developed more belt, etc., but I doubt that was required or achieved in the actuality.

I couldn’t quite figure out what was happening with that answer; the reporter did look like she was going to reference Derek and either let it go or let Megan talk over her (bad form, and then she appeared to lose her train of thought at the end). I figure it’s either like the process for McPhee, the producers asked them to keep the mystery, or the reporter was actually asked not to hint so there’d be some mystique for the viewers. Obvious guesses are either the main Ivy romance isn’t actually with Derek, or the romance is with Derek and their attitudes towards each other have undergone a sea change for the better. I forget exactly how Megan phrased it (15 minutes after I saw the video, ha), but those were the leanings I got off of it. What makes me think the former is that the phrasing she used – oh, it was “different” – doesn’t actually seem very “different” if what we now know is that Derek is going to be “sexual tensioning” it up with Karen for the entire season, because that’s like what we had last season. Of course, then we go back to the whole meta- “what if TPTB asked both women not to do any hinting about the love outcome for anyone, because people are fed up with Derek at the moment and we need to bring him back in slowly”.

Today I discovered I tore my meniscus. Feh. Not a bad tear, that would have invoked swelling, but there goes the joining-a-gym resolution right there, at least for 6 weeks (I can’t imagine the doctor-allotted 15 minutes a day on the stationery bike will do much to whip me into shape).
atatteredroseatatteredrose on January 10th, 2013 04:54 am (UTC)
Re: heigh-ho, here I am again...
To be fair, Eileen, Tom, and Julia were very vocally and visibly doubtful of Karen for the entirety of the finale. This scene would have just rehashed that, but forced us to hear them eat their words, instead of just having to watch their awed faces. Double Stab With Pen that this undermines any reaction Eileen might have later about Derek basically telling her to shut up and overriding her when she tried to oust Karen. So in the end all their doubt just proves how amazing Karen is... *sighs*

McPhee was in table reads for Catch Me If You Can as a minor character who later got cut. She did have one song though, and they were impressed, and noted that as why they supported her casting. I'm clinging to a couple quotes where they gave Hilty very glowing praise, above and beyond what I've heard for McPhee. Messing had a similar quote: whether or not she likes both girls equally, I've not heard her or anyone refer to watching McPhee as like "watching a master's class in musical theatre."

What bugs me is that Karen fans can always go back to "well, she doesn't have a BROADWAY voice, but she was still amazing because Hilty is. And personally I like McPhee better. And Hit List is perfect for her and Ivy could never do it!" And STILL whine that McPhee should have more songs on the album, particularly Howl (um... no) and a full version of Second Hand (I got the distinct impression that Shaiman & Wittman were actually happy the script changed and Hilty wound up with it, and not just being nice.)

They may have cottoned on and wrote McPhee's songs without a belt. Still bummed because of JFK has a richer, more classical and (to my bad ear) operatic voice, which would be beautiful with Hilty, and clash with McPhee. And... I'm embarrassed to say this, but the JHud song they leaked, supposedly written by the new duo --- I didn't like it at all.

Karen did blurb about Jimmy, granted we know that anyway. I vaguely recall thinking the interviewer was trying to reference Derek, since people are curious and it's the only known romance Ivy's had so far, including promos. Hilty's answer was odd though, she's usually better at answering. It sounded like the answer is "not really, no," which I can only hope means, indeed, that her main tension is with Derek, but that they transform into a different sort of relationship with periodic tension. Which would be different, they were always direct and intimate in season 1, so being indirect and non-sexual would be new.

A torn meniscus sounds bad. Anything torn sounds bad. :( You're brave for even considering the bike, I'd be all "OMG NO" in case it got worse.
mmmelpomenemmmelpomene on January 10th, 2013 06:37 am (UTC)
Re: heigh-ho, here I am again...
I am glad to know that about McPhee, because I had wondered; yet at the same time, it confuses me. I had thought she might have been in an Ivy-type position, but “singing one song great” does not a Broadway star make, apparently.

If the show makes it to a third season, I would absolutely love to see them toss Hilty into a straight-up rock and roll show. I know she’d have to learn to sing a different way and you run the risk that that could be deleterious to her stylings overall, but I’d just love to see what she’d do with the challenge.

I have noted that too, and I think it’s simply because Megan is a world class talent (and glad you note that they are so glowing, because it reminds me that it’s not just fangirl me who thinks so). I think all those professionals can tell that they’re watching a rising star rise. I don’t care what any McPhee fan says; you can’t compare a Hilty to a McPhee. Hilty scores high on everything, which does help, though people try to deny it. There are no lacunae (sp?), outside of the occasional less-than-perfect note in live performance. I’ve been to a lot of Broadway musicals (though mostly the ones where they needed packed previews for the critics, which I do admit may have a slight correlation – no one has to try to drag comp people into a Nathan Lane or Kelli O’Hara production), and no one has impressed me nearly as much as Hilty. (Which, by the way, did I ever show you her acting here? Pre- “9 to 5”, which makes her, I think 27. I showed it to my mom, who is a chorus-level singer, and she said “She must be taking half breaths.” The length of the phrasing… it’s just to die for:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWbTawTq07g

It absolutely kills me that people are out there insisting McPhee’s “Wolf” is better. Mainly because I don’t want to think it possible that anyone could be fooled by the trompe l’oeuil of it all (she walks on people’s palms!), unless they’re, like, thirteen; partly because I don’t want people to be that tone deaf. Girlfriend cannot do Marilyn. She cannot keep the coo and the inflections, or the inflections and the notes, or any two of the things together, basically. (And I died a little inside the night that I realized that we were supposed to take the prim intonation McPhee uses when flapping her slip at Derek for “We are trying, Mr. Wills”, as a “Marilyn voice”.) I seriously thought Karen was just being her typical Derek-infatuated twit self, secretly delighted to have an excuse to prance around in front of him in her bra, but I do think that someone thought that was a “Marilyn delivery”. And I saw one person hinging their entire perception on some nonsense about “McPhee absolutely nailing the extremely particular way in which Marilyn pronounced, ‘crack’.” I thought, “Great, she was at this 9 months so she could “nail” one word.”

Ha, well, I wasn’t that brave; it’s just weird-feeling, mostly (it’s a knee tendon, inner in my case). The thing about the bike is (and I can’t set the tension high or do anything really tricky and modern-equipment) it mostly keeps my knee stationary; I noticed it when climbing up and down stairs (though I can’t do the stair climber or the elliptical; the dr. was quite clear about that). It’s really the flexing-and-extending of walking, which is depressing, because I like to walk on my lunch hour to blow off steam. I haven't exactly been taxing myself outside of work, though I should be getting more sleep. XP
Re: heigh-ho, here I am again... - atatteredrose on January 10th, 2013 11:26 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: heigh-ho, here I am again... - mmmelpomene on January 11th, 2013 01:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
atatteredroseatatteredrose on January 8th, 2013 10:39 am (UTC)
Re: heigh-ho, here I am again...
Random late-night thought, which won't happen, but what if they decide what could help secure Bombshell, since their star is unknown, is a famous male lead top pique interest? And their JFK guy is someone Ivy and Veronica knew back in the day, who's made it big but was on a break from shows for whatever reason. Ivy calls, he joins, fun times ensue!